View Poll Results: Has your turbo failed?
FP Black failed
11
4.45%
FP Red Failed
36
14.57%
FP Green Failed
14
5.67%
No Failures
187
75.71%
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Has your FP Turbo failed?
Feb 27, 2010, 03:06 PM
#121
here are my pics as promised 
looks like the plate under the blades became loose, it raised up hence the blades touching. There is movement in shaft up and down and all around
i dont race, drag, dd, just sometime on nice weekends
some pics of when she was installed
ill try to send it to FP by Wednesday
looks like the plate under the blades became loose, it raised up hence the blades touching. There is movement in shaft up and down and all around
i dont race, drag, dd, just sometime on nice weekends
some pics of when she was installed
ill try to send it to FP by Wednesday
Feb 27, 2010, 05:17 PM
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If there are 5 blacks that failed, that have a 12 month warranty from FP (which I don't think have been out that long) can FP confirm these so called failures?
As the saying goes "Pics or it didn't happen!"
Seems like some haters are polluting the thread...
Yes there were some failures with the FP Red....I have seen and heard about them....but things have changed since then.
As the saying goes "Pics or it didn't happen!"
Seems like some haters are polluting the thread...
Yes there were some failures with the FP Red....I have seen and heard about them....but things have changed since then.
Feb 27, 2010, 05:21 PM
#125
Looks like this red was produced before the oil feed lines that came from the oil filter housing came into the picture. Might also be before FP started making its own center cartridge.
Hopefully they can take care of ya and the next turbo last a normal time frame.
Feb 27, 2010, 05:22 PM
#126
here are my pics as promised
looks like the plate under the blades became loose, it raised up hence the blades touching. There is movement in shaft up and down and all around
i dont race, drag, dd, just sometime on nice weekends
some pics of when she was installed
ill try to send it to FP by Wednesday
looks like the plate under the blades became loose, it raised up hence the blades touching. There is movement in shaft up and down and all around
i dont race, drag, dd, just sometime on nice weekends
some pics of when she was installed
ill try to send it to FP by Wednesday
as above stated why is your oil line coming off the head and not the filter housing?
Feb 27, 2010, 05:27 PM
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Sir, they have not occurred. As a matter of fact, I think it is possible to vote for a failure of all three turbos and never have even bought a turbo from us. I have asked the administration to provide me with a list of users voting failures so that we can follow up and assure that they were handled properly and that the customers received every bit of support and service we can offer. So far all I hear is crickets. I certainly hope that people dont go away from this thread believing that there is anywhere near a 25% failure rate of our turbos, it's ridiculous. I'm sorry if I sound a little discouraged, but this just isnt right. Boost on my friends.
Feb 27, 2010, 05:28 PM
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[QUOTE=MR. EVO MR;8041229]here are my pics as promised
looks like the plate under the blades became loose, it raised up hence the blades touching. There is movement in shaft up and down and all around
You lost your thrust bearing, oiling from the oil filter housing would have given you better oil pressure. It is still coverable under our warranty anyway, thats just the way we do it. Only condition would be if the unit was done more than 12 months ago, or there is parts of motor in the turbo.
The heat shield didnt come loose, the housing retains it when it is all assembled. The heat shield didnt move towards the turbine, the turbine moved towards the heat shield after the thrust bearing died. Your oil line does not comply with the current recommendations, you will need to relocate your oil feed line to the oil filter housing to avoid this type failure.
I hope I'm not coming across as scolding or anything, just trying to helpfully comment on the pictures you are sharing
Once your turbo arrives Brian, our turbo shop foreman, will give you a call.
We have had a very active campaign to educate users that the cylinder head does not supply an adequate volume or pressure of oil to satisfy our bearing system, but some people still havent got the word I guess.
looks like the plate under the blades became loose, it raised up hence the blades touching. There is movement in shaft up and down and all around
You lost your thrust bearing, oiling from the oil filter housing would have given you better oil pressure. It is still coverable under our warranty anyway, thats just the way we do it. Only condition would be if the unit was done more than 12 months ago, or there is parts of motor in the turbo.
The heat shield didnt come loose, the housing retains it when it is all assembled. The heat shield didnt move towards the turbine, the turbine moved towards the heat shield after the thrust bearing died. Your oil line does not comply with the current recommendations, you will need to relocate your oil feed line to the oil filter housing to avoid this type failure.
I hope I'm not coming across as scolding or anything, just trying to helpfully comment on the pictures you are sharing
Once your turbo arrives Brian, our turbo shop foreman, will give you a call.
We have had a very active campaign to educate users that the cylinder head does not supply an adequate volume or pressure of oil to satisfy our bearing system, but some people still havent got the word I guess.
Feb 27, 2010, 05:47 PM
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[QUOTE=ForcedPerformance;8041514]
from ur experience, whats the cause behind this lag of oil pressure at the head? Do u think there is a way to improve the system passages maybe and obtain the same oil pressure across the whole motor as oppose to only where the filter housing is?
Thanks
here are my pics as promised
looks like the plate under the blades became loose, it raised up hence the blades touching. There is movement in shaft up and down and all around
You lost your thrust bearing, oiling from the oil filter housing would have given you better oil pressure. It is still coverable under our warranty anyway, thats just the way we do it. Only condition would be if the unit was done more than 12 months ago, or there is parts of motor in the turbo.
The heat shield didnt come loose, the housing retains it when it is all assembled. The heat shield didnt move towards the turbine, the turbine moved towards the heat shield after the thrust bearing died. Your oil line does not comply with the current recommendations, you will need to relocate your oil feed line to the oil filter housing to avoid this type failure.
I hope I'm not coming across as scolding or anything, just trying to helpfully comment on the pictures you are sharing
Once your turbo arrives Brian, our turbo shop foreman, will give you a call.
We have had a very active campaign to educate users that the cylinder head does not supply an adequate volume or pressure of oil to satisfy our bearing system, but some people still havent got the word I guess.
looks like the plate under the blades became loose, it raised up hence the blades touching. There is movement in shaft up and down and all around
You lost your thrust bearing, oiling from the oil filter housing would have given you better oil pressure. It is still coverable under our warranty anyway, thats just the way we do it. Only condition would be if the unit was done more than 12 months ago, or there is parts of motor in the turbo.
The heat shield didnt come loose, the housing retains it when it is all assembled. The heat shield didnt move towards the turbine, the turbine moved towards the heat shield after the thrust bearing died. Your oil line does not comply with the current recommendations, you will need to relocate your oil feed line to the oil filter housing to avoid this type failure.
I hope I'm not coming across as scolding or anything, just trying to helpfully comment on the pictures you are sharing
Once your turbo arrives Brian, our turbo shop foreman, will give you a call.
We have had a very active campaign to educate users that the cylinder head does not supply an adequate volume or pressure of oil to satisfy our bearing system, but some people still havent got the word I guess.
from ur experience, whats the cause behind this lag of oil pressure at the head? Do u think there is a way to improve the system passages maybe and obtain the same oil pressure across the whole motor as oppose to only where the filter housing is?
Thanks
Feb 27, 2010, 08:20 PM
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[QUOTE=detroit pistins;8041552]
The reason the oil pressure at the head is lower than the oil pressure at the pump is simply that it's much farther down the line. By the time the pressure makes it to the head, it has already blead thru the rodsm teh mains the balance shafts, the lifters and the cam journals. Oiling the turbo off the ehad put the turbo LAST in line for any oil pressure and flow that is available. Oiling the turbo from the oil pump housing means that the turbo gets "first shot".
You wouldnt want to increase the oil pressure or volume of oil flow in the head, it would just mess with pumping up the lifters and floating the valves. If this doesnt make any sense, thats fine, research it and learn. All I'm doing here is trying to convey what I have learned over a decade of blowing stuff up. At the same time, this isn't turbo university either, it's anonymous poll with bogus stats
You wouldnt want to increase the oil pressure or volume of oil flow in the head, it would just mess with pumping up the lifters and floating the valves. If this doesnt make any sense, thats fine, research it and learn. All I'm doing here is trying to convey what I have learned over a decade of blowing stuff up. At the same time, this isn't turbo university either, it's anonymous poll with bogus stats
Feb 27, 2010, 08:43 PM
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I have to explain my typing. Years of drving a high output 4G63 has conditioned my right (shifter) hand to be much faster than my left. this results an a asynchronous letter sequence.
Feb 27, 2010, 09:39 PM
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I just installed my FP Black tonight with a few friends. The damn FP wastegate acuator broke. Scheides on the forum has the pic I will ask him to post it up. I hope FP will send me a new one because basically the nipple on the end just fell right off.
Feb 28, 2010, 12:24 AM
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The reason the oil pressure at the head is lower than the oil pressure at the pump is simply that it's much farther down the line. By the time the pressure makes it to the head, it has already blead thru the rodsm teh mains the balance shafts, the lifters and the cam journals. Oiling the turbo off the ehad put the turbo LAST in line for any oil pressure and flow that is available. Oiling the turbo from the oil pump housing means that the turbo gets "first shot".
You wouldnt want to increase the oil pressure or volume of oil flow in the head, it would just mess with pumping up the lifters and floating the valves. If this doesnt make any sense, thats fine, research it and learn. All I'm doing here is trying to convey what I have learned over a decade of blowing stuff up. At the same time, this isn't turbo university either, it's anonymous poll with bogus stats
this is the kind of info i was looking for. Thanks!
The reason the oil pressure at the head is lower than the oil pressure at the pump is simply that it's much farther down the line. By the time the pressure makes it to the head, it has already blead thru the rodsm teh mains the balance shafts, the lifters and the cam journals. Oiling the turbo off the ehad put the turbo LAST in line for any oil pressure and flow that is available. Oiling the turbo from the oil pump housing means that the turbo gets "first shot".
You wouldnt want to increase the oil pressure or volume of oil flow in the head, it would just mess with pumping up the lifters and floating the valves. If this doesnt make any sense, thats fine, research it and learn. All I'm doing here is trying to convey what I have learned over a decade of blowing stuff up. At the same time, this isn't turbo university either, it's anonymous poll with bogus stats
