2024 SCCA SOLO - STU Discussion
Dec 14, 2023, 11:11 AM
#31
2 weekends ago I smacked a cone during one of my autocross runs. It somehow hit the oil cooler and damaged it. Lost about a quart of oil after like 3 minutes of being on grid it spewing oil. Had to get towed. Since I kept my oem one after installing this aftermarket one, I was able to swapped it out ez pz and run again this latest weekend which I was able to snag 1st in pax and 2nd raw.
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CaptainSquirts (Dec 15, 2023)
Dec 15, 2023, 09:44 PM
#35
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Originally Posted by CaptainSquirts
Gonna stick with the OEM oil cooler. The OEM one overall felt way sturdier than the STM oil cooler setup. If the oem one ever goes south, then maybe I’ll go the Setrab route if it’s actually on par or better than OEM.
The Setrab is definitely an upgrade though. Depending on power output they can over cool the oil.
Jan 2, 2024, 12:59 PM
#36
I would love clarification to my 4 point Autopower roll bar situation. This is one of the changes I was looking to make for the 2024 season for mainly track, but possibly the added rigidity for autox. I added plates at the base/floor as well, knowing how flimsy that is as well.
I removed the rear seats completely as there's no way to make it fit, unless you hack up the rear seat from what I gather and I'd like to NOT cut them.
Here's what the rules say:
SCCA Street roll bar/cage rules
"13. Street Category Section 3.3.3.B.1, Safety Inspection Requirements. G. Roll Bars and Roll Cages 1. Roll bars and roll cages may be added. Roll bars may be welded or bolted in. Roll bars must meet the requirements of section 3.3.2. Standard rollover hoops, covers, trim panels interior parts and rear seats may be removed or modified for clearance. Holes may be added to the chassis to allow installation but may serve no other purpose. Factory seatbelts and airbags must remain fully functional once the roll bar is installed. The total weight of components removed must be less than the total weight of the components added during installation. Competitors are strongly cautioned to make the minimum amount of modification required to affix a given part and to not make unduly tortured interpretations of this rule. 2. Roll cages may be added. It is strongly recommended that roll cages be constructed according to the Club Racing GCR, though they must be bolted (not welded) into the automobile and be contained within the driver/passenger compartment. A roll cage has more than four attachment points to the body or frame or has bracing both fore and aft of the main hoop"
I'm only questioning things, because I believe there's a local member who is on the SEB or involved somehow. He looked at it and mentioned there's no way that's legal, etc. I then pulled up the exact rules for him to read (listed under Street class rules) and then seemingly took a step back. I simply want to know that I'm legal before running any national tours/etc this year. If there's no one on here that can confirm I'm OK by simply removing the rear seats to install this, please let me know who I can contact. I'll attach some pictures.
****The weight removed from the back seat/belts is quite a bit less than what this bar is adding.**** I'd estimate that I'm adding 20-25lbs by adding the bar and removing the rear seat/belts. Do I NEED to leave the rear seat belts in, even though I have no rear seat? To me even if I were be able to fit that seat in, it's useless for a person to ride in the back, coinciding with SCCA and their interpretation of Street/Street Touring being "street cars".
Thanks in advance.
I removed the rear seats completely as there's no way to make it fit, unless you hack up the rear seat from what I gather and I'd like to NOT cut them.
Here's what the rules say:
SCCA Street roll bar/cage rules
"13. Street Category Section 3.3.3.B.1, Safety Inspection Requirements. G. Roll Bars and Roll Cages 1. Roll bars and roll cages may be added. Roll bars may be welded or bolted in. Roll bars must meet the requirements of section 3.3.2. Standard rollover hoops, covers, trim panels interior parts and rear seats may be removed or modified for clearance. Holes may be added to the chassis to allow installation but may serve no other purpose. Factory seatbelts and airbags must remain fully functional once the roll bar is installed. The total weight of components removed must be less than the total weight of the components added during installation. Competitors are strongly cautioned to make the minimum amount of modification required to affix a given part and to not make unduly tortured interpretations of this rule. 2. Roll cages may be added. It is strongly recommended that roll cages be constructed according to the Club Racing GCR, though they must be bolted (not welded) into the automobile and be contained within the driver/passenger compartment. A roll cage has more than four attachment points to the body or frame or has bracing both fore and aft of the main hoop"
I'm only questioning things, because I believe there's a local member who is on the SEB or involved somehow. He looked at it and mentioned there's no way that's legal, etc. I then pulled up the exact rules for him to read (listed under Street class rules) and then seemingly took a step back. I simply want to know that I'm legal before running any national tours/etc this year. If there's no one on here that can confirm I'm OK by simply removing the rear seats to install this, please let me know who I can contact. I'll attach some pictures.
****The weight removed from the back seat/belts is quite a bit less than what this bar is adding.**** I'd estimate that I'm adding 20-25lbs by adding the bar and removing the rear seat/belts. Do I NEED to leave the rear seat belts in, even though I have no rear seat? To me even if I were be able to fit that seat in, it's useless for a person to ride in the back, coinciding with SCCA and their interpretation of Street/Street Touring being "street cars".
Thanks in advance.
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Butt Dyno (Jan 2, 2024)
Jan 2, 2024, 01:29 PM
#39
Could you expand on that please?! 
And you don't need to expand on the upright parts yet, lol!
Are you saying just because the seat is out, it would bump me? If I simply throw the seat back in and modify the seat so it fits with the bar, I'd be OK!?
And you don't need to expand on the upright parts yet, lol! Are you saying just because the seat is out, it would bump me? If I simply throw the seat back in and modify the seat so it fits with the bar, I'd be OK!?
Jan 2, 2024, 01:54 PM
#40
Standard rollover hoops, covers, trim panels interior parts and rear seats may be removed or modified for clearance.
Competitors are strongly cautioned to make the minimum amount of modification required to affix a given part and to not make unduly tortured interpretations of this rule.
Worst case you could find an old rear seat from some 200k wrecked car and hack it up.
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LV///R (Jan 2, 2024)
Jan 2, 2024, 02:05 PM
#41
That sounds to me like what you are doing is legal.
This is some awful rules language. WTF does strongly cautioned mean when it says you can remove the rear seats for clearance previously?
Worst case you could find an old rear seat from some 200k wrecked car and hack it up.
This is some awful rules language. WTF does strongly cautioned mean when it says you can remove the rear seats for clearance previously?
Worst case you could find an old rear seat from some 200k wrecked car and hack it up.
EDIT - I also assume in regards to them even mentioning the part where the factory belts need to remain, they are reinforcing that the factory belts need to remain for the driver/pass seats, even if one adds in a 4/5/6 point racing harness. (Another silly rule in my opinion as well - why do we need 2 sets of belts in the car?) Maybe I'm missing something there....
Adding a 4 point to a 4 door car absolutely nullifies the use of that rear seat anyways. If they are truly trying to keep street/street touring cars "streetable", they have a conundrum there in itself. Driving a car with a 4 point / cage on the street isn't wise, yet they allow it? Contradictory IMO.
Last edited by LV///R; Jan 2, 2024 at 02:40 PM.
Jan 2, 2024, 04:21 PM
#42
I'm no longer on the SEB so I don't have to put any "non official" disclaimers anymore, but you should be ok with that setup in my opinion. I think you do need to keep the seatbelts. If want to get a more official opinion submit a clarification request to the STAC, https://www.soloeventsboard.com/
The reason for the silly wording is to prevent people from thinking they can do wild things and call it a roll bar. an open ended allowance to remove parts of the car to allow installation of custom made unconstrained parts makes people think crazy stuff. It's unfortunate there isn't a better way to communicate the intent of the rule to competitors/protest committees but it is what it is.
The reason for the silly wording is to prevent people from thinking they can do wild things and call it a roll bar. an open ended allowance to remove parts of the car to allow installation of custom made unconstrained parts makes people think crazy stuff. It's unfortunate there isn't a better way to communicate the intent of the rule to competitors/protest committees but it is what it is.
Jan 3, 2024, 06:00 AM
#43
I'm no longer on the SEB so I don't have to put any "non official" disclaimers anymore, but you should be ok with that setup in my opinion. I think you do need to keep the seatbelts. If want to get a more official opinion submit a clarification request to the STAC, https://www.soloeventsboard.com/
The reason for the silly wording is to prevent people from thinking they can do wild things and call it a roll bar. an open ended allowance to remove parts of the car to allow installation of custom made unconstrained parts makes people think crazy stuff. It's unfortunate there isn't a better way to communicate the intent of the rule to competitors/protest committees but it is what it is.
The reason for the silly wording is to prevent people from thinking they can do wild things and call it a roll bar. an open ended allowance to remove parts of the car to allow installation of custom made unconstrained parts makes people think crazy stuff. It's unfortunate there isn't a better way to communicate the intent of the rule to competitors/protest committees but it is what it is.
I did submit a letter to the SEB to get further clarification on this as well.
Jan 3, 2024, 07:54 AM
#44
Evolving Member
"Factory seatbelts and airbags must remain fully functional once the roll bar is installed." So, all other things considered, put the belts back in and you should be good to go. Which is dumb, bc you can remove the rear seat.... Maybe, put some velcro on them so they don't flop around 
Jan 4, 2024, 06:41 AM
#45
The reason for the silly wording is to prevent people from thinking they can do wild things and call it a roll bar. an open ended allowance to remove parts of the car to allow installation of custom made unconstrained parts makes people think crazy stuff. It's unfortunate there isn't a better way to communicate the intent of the rule to competitors/protest committees but it is what it is.
